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121: 名無しさん 2022/04/10(日) 11:11:50.21
マレニアって普通に神ボスだと思うわ
一般のプレイヤーでも遺灰使ったりマルチで白呼べば、乱舞の対応さえ覚えればそんなに難しくないし
上手いプレイヤーなら、パリィ駆使すれば長すぎる相手のターンも強制カットしてセキロ風の戦いが出来るから滅茶苦茶面白いし
タイマンで勝ちたいけど、いつまでもパリィ出来ない雑魚がずっと叩いてるイメージ
140: 名無しさん 2022/04/10(日) 11:14:49.64
>>121
中途半端にごり押しするとぬけられるっての覚えたらたいしたことないんだよな
構えてくれたらチャンスと思えるようになる。落ち着いて見れるようになると面白い
131: 名無しさん 2022/04/10(日) 11:13:19.65
そういえば前スレにマレニアに盾チク?ガン盾?で行けたって人が居たけど
次周回で試したいから出来ればどんな構成で行ったのか知りたいな
134: 名無しさん 2022/04/10(日) 11:14:30.41
出たなぁマレニアクソって言ってるのが勝てない雑魚で思考が固まってるやつ
普通に倒した上で思うけどフロムのボスとしては出来が悪すぎるよ、良ボスと呼べるかも怪しいわ
136: 名無しさん 2022/04/10(日) 11:14:35.84
マレニアに関してはパリィで相手のターンカットするよりひたすらコロコロして気が向いた時に戦技で殴らせていただく方がよくね
ダウンも合わせてパリィよりもダメージ出せる
そんでご機嫌伺いながら立ち回るのが腹立つからクソ
146: 名無しさん 2022/04/10(日) 11:16:21.15
>>136
パリィは魅せプの領域よなー
人によってはそれのが楽なのかもやけど
155: 名無しさん 2022/04/10(日) 11:17:54.35
>>136
三連切りからの三連切り派生してる時が最高に機嫌伺ってる感じがする
166: 名無しさん 2022/04/10(日) 11:20:08.31
>>136
だからそうやって戦おうとすると、永遠に相手のターン続くような行動してきてすげえイライラするじゃん
つまりあいつはセキロみたいに、ジャスガを駆使して強引にこっちのターンをもぎ取ってくださいねという意図のボスなんだよ
それが出来ない人は、遺灰使って後ろから殴れという救済措置もある
187: 名無しさん 2022/04/10(日) 11:24:41.13
>>166
そういう意図なら3回パリィにするかなぁ
2回パリィ、もしくはせめて1回目と2回目成功時に溜めなし強攻撃一発でも入る隙あればパリィで立ち回る気になれるけど
217: 名無しさん 2022/04/10(日) 11:29:40.87
>>187
だからあいつは疑似セキロなんだって
セキロも忍殺決めるのに何回も弾いて体幹削ってただろ
ただマレニアに限った話ではないが、今作は全体的に致命火力が低すぎるせいで、リスクとリターンが見合ってないというのは俺も思ってる
311: 名無しさん 2022/04/10(日) 11:43:48.85
>>217
全然疑似になってねえよ
174: 名無しさん 2022/04/10(日) 11:22:26.22
何でこのゲームの信者みたいなのはイチイチイキッて煽ろうとするんだろうか
196: 名無しさん 2022/04/10(日) 11:25:50.38
>>174
逆だと思う、このゲームの信者がイキリになるんじゃなくて
イキりたい奴にとってソウルシリーズは都合がいいんだよ
クソボス擁護する時にクリアしてない下手くそだって煽れるから
210: 名無しさん 2022/04/10(日) 11:28:49.85
>>174
なんだろうね、選民思想というか
でもポケ○ンとか○ンハンとかも似たような感じではあるよ
玄人とそうじゃない人の差が大きいゲームだからかね

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  1. 名無しさん より:

    本当にセキロやったことあんのか?
    パリィと弾きは全然違うと思うんだけど

  2. 名無しさん より:

    一回パリィで致命取れれば確定リターンだしセキロっぽいはまだわかる
    三回パリィした上で致命2000ダメージ程度じゃ全くリターンが釣り合ってないからな
    ちいかわブッパの運ゲーで勝てるしパリィで勝つより早いし楽

  3. 名無しさん より:

    ソロで倒すのに数百戦かかった雑魚から言わせてもらえば神ボス

  4. 名無しさん より:

    217 と同じこと言うけど、
    マレニアにパリィは効かないんだと思って早々に戦法変えたから隻狼っぽいとは戦ってる時思わなかったけど
    3回必要だと後に知った今では何度か弾いて体幹崩す隻狼っぽいなと思う。
    開発は、マレニアには隻狼戦法だぞ!!で盛り上がって欲しかったんだと思う。
    問題はリターンの致命が弱すぎて隻狼する気にはならないってこと。

    • 名無しさん より:

      疑似セキロってんなら致命決めたら一撃で二段階目、二段階目で致命決めたら勝負終わってくんねーとなw

    • 名無しさん より:

      自分もそう思ってるわ
      実際パリィで相手の行動を強制的に止めながら戦うのは楽しいし、セキロに通じる部分もある
      致命取るまでのパリィ回数に応じてダメージ増やすくらいしてくれたらよかったのに

      • 名無しさん より:

        マレニアに限らずパリィボスが楽しいのはダクソ系で実質唯一のボスの行動に割り込める行動が可能だからだね
        それは同意するし、マレニアの行動止めるのおもしろさはある
        でもいくらなんでも致命回数多すぎ。周回で前半のHP25000くらいになってんのに2000程度しか入らんぞ
        盛り上がってほしかったんだと思うとか妄想にも程があんだろ
        楔丸はカットはガードも強いしHP吸収もされないし、ダラダラ長い技3つも持ってるしで、前述のもあって全然SEKIROじゃねーわ

  5. 名無しさん より:

    今作致命が弱すぎるのよ。あとリゲイン必要だった?

  6. 名無しさん より:

    マレゴミはマジでゴミボスだと思うわ。あれを神(笑)とかwwドMの方ですかね?

  7. 名無しさん より:

    マレニアは下手なやつにとってはゴミ
    上手いやつにとっては神ってのが結論
    下手なやつが多いからクソボスって声が多くなるのも当然
    レベル500代でも攻撃見切れずに死んでくやつしかいない

  8. 名無しさん より:

    行動ルーチン雑でおんなじ行動何度もしてくるボスが神ボスは無いわな
    プレイが上手くなったから勝てるより、パターンの下振れで勝った感あるし

  9. 名無しさん より:

    理不尽なボスには数々の壊れ要素でゴリ押せっていうエルデンスタンスの象徴的なボス
    丁寧にやろうとすると出し得技の数々とリゲインでだんだんイライラしてくる
    正直セキロみたいに戦うことが快感なレベルのボスではないと思った

  10. 名無しさん より:

    リゲインに文句言いたくなる気持ちはわかるが、リゲインが気になるような被弾率ではどのみち勝てないという指標にしかならんわな。リゲインが無くても勝ててないよそれ。マレニアは立ち回りを最適化する以外に勝ち筋のない正統派強ボスだと思うけどなあ。

    ただマルチでリゲインは味方の足を引っ張る行為になっちゃうし、やってりゃ気にならないというだけでどのみち褒められるシステムでは無い。

    • 名無しさん より:

      リゲインが無くても勝ててないよそれ。っていうがエスパーかお前は。普通に食らいながらも倒したよ
      君は知らんが、勝ててもリゲインは気になるっていう話
      なんでマレニアを倒せないから文句言っているに脳内変換するんだろうなコイツら

      • 名無しさん より:

        横からだけど↑リゲインきつくて勝てない!って言うプレイヤーの事を指して言っている事くらい普通に分かるだろ、何言ってんだコイツ?誰もお前の話なんかしてないんだが?自分語りキッショ。

  11. 名無しさん より:

    マレニアは相手の攻撃終わりに一撃入れるような戦い方の人にはクソボスだよ。あいつは反撃出来るタイミングでバンバン攻撃を差し込んで行動を牽制する方がラク。攻撃されたらやたら退くモーションが多いのはそういうことだと思うんだよな。それに気づいてからはsekiroみたいな感覚でやり合えたし、個人的にはエルデンリングで一番やりごたえのあるボスだと思うわ。

    ターン制バトル拒否の多い今作ボスたちだけど、こいつはsekiro並みの駆け引きが楽しめたから好き

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  19. 名無しさん より:

    マレニア擁護勢はただのイキリカスだからスルーでおk

  20. 名無しさん より:

    攻撃差し込んでもスーパーアーマーで攻撃してくる確率が相当高くてダメージレースぶっ壊れるのに何言ってるんだろうな。
    SEKIROの人型ボスならガードして来て相手の攻撃も止まるだろ

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