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635: 名無しさん 2022/03/11(金) 16:29:47.38
なんでこんな時限イベントばっかにしたんだよオープンワールドで
思うように進めないとか最悪だわ
655: 名無しさん 2022/03/11(金) 16:32:35.86
>>635
やりたいイベントありきなら攻略見れば良くない?
677: 名無しさん 2022/03/11(金) 16:34:38.91
>>655
王都消滅や火山館イベント考えたら齟齬が生じて適正レベルでは遊べないことは
スレでもわかってるだろ何言ってんだ
802: 名無しさん 2022/03/11(金) 16:50:09.44
>>677
???何言ってんの?
時限イベントで見たいイベント潰れるの嫌なら攻略見ればってだけなんだけど
817: 名無しさん 2022/03/11(金) 16:51:42.04
>>802
そんなことしなくてもいいように普通はされてる
オープンワールドならなおさら
あっても2,3
このゲームはそれが多すぎる
870: 名無しさん 2022/03/11(金) 16:57:22.98
>>817
イベントフラグを隅々まで探しながらやらせるのがコンセプトってだけでしょ
色々探したけどあのイベント完遂できなかったなぁで終わる人ならそれでいいし、そのコンセプトが合わないなら調べてやればいい

全部のゲームにフラグ補助搭載しろってのは暴論だよ

893: 名無しさん 2022/03/11(金) 17:00:44.34
>>870
暴論はそっちだろおれは他ゲーオープンワールドとも比較していってる
それができないならオープンワールド化すべきではなかったそれだけ
なんでもユーザーに任せてこのざまじゃねえ
904: 名無しさん 2022/03/11(金) 17:01:52.75
>>893
他オープンワールドのゲーム一つも挙げてないじゃん

というかそれは君が楽しめるオープンワールドであって、オープンワールドとはこうあるべきってのは単なる君の思い込みだよ

919: 名無しさん 2022/03/11(金) 17:03:31.21
>>904
時限イベントもそれを示すヒントやシステムがあっただろうか?
939: 名無しさん 2022/03/11(金) 17:05:28.09
>>919
他ゲーと比較してるって言うなら何とどこを比較してるのか言わなきゃ意味ないし、後半の君が楽しめる形がオープンワールドのあるべき姿って訳じゃないってことには触れないの?
886: 名無しさん 2022/03/11(金) 16:59:35.87
>>817
探索苦痛で調べるのも嫌なら単純にオープンワールド向いてない思う
913: 名無しさん 2022/03/11(金) 17:02:59.51
>>817
普通だの多すぎるだの自分の尺度でブー垂れるくらいなら辞めて別のオープンワールドやろうよ
679: 名無しさん 2022/03/11(金) 16:34:42.12
>>655
攻略サイトも完全に合ってるなら良いけどフラグが妙におかしいのがちょくちょくあるからな
バグなんじゃないかみたいなのまであるぞ

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  1. 名無しさん より:

    出会いは運命、無理矢理やりたいならそれはエルデンリングではない。
    もう辞めなよ。

  2. 名無しさん より:

    所詮エルデンリングもフロムゲーだからその程度なんよ
    諦めて自分に合ったゲームを探した方がいい

  3. 名無しさん より:

    元々ソウルシリーズのNPCシナリオってオープンワールド関係なしにこんな感じだよね
    変な場所で出会ってシナリオ進んだり、見逃してスルーしてたら死んでたり
    周回していくつかのパターン把握してそれでやっとこのNPCはこういう考えで動いていたのかと分かる
    一から十までテキストで説明するのではなく、間はユーザーに想像させて補完させるような形

    • 名無しさん より:

      今回はもう少しフォローか、イベントのゆるさが必要な広さだと思ったよ・・・流石に・・・

  4. 名無しさん より:

    こうやってワンピース海賊無双ゲーマーが入ってきて、フロムゲー壊されるの嫌だなぁ
    どうしても完結させてみたいイベントがあるなら、攻略サイトでも見ながら2周目やるのがフロムゲー

    自然の流れで見れるイベントなんて用意されてないんだよ
    だから見つけたやつとかがすごいって話

    無双ゲーに慣れすぎちゃってるんだよ

    • 名無しさん より:

      その点はフロムがそんなアホどもに靡くわけないから安心せい
      世界的な文豪使って5年かけて開発して超宣伝し、既存ユーザー以外にも売れるだろってゲームの最初のボスでマルギット出してくる企業やぞ

  5. 名無しさん より:

    1周で寄り道しながらじっくりやり尽くしたいタイプだから
    自分も時限イベント多いのはちょっと不満だったんだけど、みんなのコメント読んだらなるほどなぁって思った

  6. 名無しさん より:

    正直UIは不便だな。結構古いオープンゲーレベル。今が最高とは全く思えないし俺はガッツリ変えても良い派だわ。

  7. 名無しさん より:

    〉893
    ユーザーに任せて云々

    お前もユーザーで出来ない責任を転化して自分は無能ですって大声で叫んで嗤える

  8. 名無しさん より:

    どいつもこいつもクソ未満の自説垂れ流すばかり。
    こんな連中がフロムのイメージ下げてるんだよ。

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